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to pay for government-run healthcare, you'll pay higher taxes and more for your medicine. >> that ad is referring to the fact that in his decision to uphold the affordable care act earlier this year, the supreme court redefined individual mandate as a tax. what it actually does is require everyone to have health insurance since many people already do, it is a bit of a stretch to consider that a tax on all americans. when you look at the president's policies as a whole he has enacted several tax breaks for the middle class. like the adoption and dependent care tax credits and a 2% payroll tax cut. the ad claims mitt romney would then lower taxes on the middle class but look, when you look at this ad, the facts don't add up. according to the tax policy center, romney would have to get rid of the president's tax breaks effectively raising taxes on the middle class all in order to pay for his tax cuts for the wealthy. and speaking of taxes and spending cuts, leaders in the senate right now are working on a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff come january. we're looking at $720 billion worth o
to pay for government-run healthcare, you'll pay higher taxes and more for your medicine. >> that ad is referring to the fact that in his decision to uphold the affordable care act earlier this year, the supreme court redefined individual mandate as a tax. what it actually does is require everyone to have health insurance since many people already do, it is a bit of a stretch to consider that a tax on all americans. when you look at the president's policies as a whole he has enacted...
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but tens of millions to find affordable healthcare unattainable. they'll bring this up thursday in the debate with congressman paul ryan. 36 million people have their health eight risk. the president and vice president should hammer it home in t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t (vo) always outspoken, now unleashed. joy behar. >> on my next show, robert klein can't stop his leg, gilbert gottfried can't stop his mouth and i can't stop laughing long enough to ask a question. >> eliot: there were some folks last week before the debate who declared the presidential race over. confession time, i was one of them. but after two debate performances, one of which goes down as one of the best, and another goes down as one of the worst, it's time to recognize that this race has begun anew. inin a just-released post-debate pew national poll, mitt romney has pulled ahead of the president among likely voters by four points. and a stark contrast from the same poll conducted just after conventions showed the president ahead by eight. at a c
but tens of millions to find affordable healthcare unattainable. they'll bring this up thursday in the debate with congressman paul ryan. 36 million people have their health eight risk. the president and vice president should hammer it home in t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t (vo) always outspoken, now unleashed. joy behar. >> on my next show, robert klein can't stop his leg, gilbert gottfried can't stop his mouth and i can't stop laughing long enough to ask a...
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military, the war in afghanistan medical marijuana, you name it, he has betrayed the american people on healthcare, and there needs to be a very different voice in this race talking to american people. cenk, the thing that i think people lose sight of is that the third-party candidates actually represent the mainstream of american people. poll after poll show it and there has been the pull out of the democratic and republican parties. >> cenk: rocky anderson and presidential candidate this year. thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. thank you cenk. >> cenk: we're going to have fun. we'll have conversation whether mitt romney is too cheap and god knows i know cheap. that will be an interesting conversation, and is he crazy? we'll have that when we come back. >> he's so full of energy. i don't know about you but we're similar in that we're a little bit lazy. >> my biggest concern obviously would be his mental well-being. (vo) what is said here could decide the election. current tv presents coverage of the presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> you're going to hea
military, the war in afghanistan medical marijuana, you name it, he has betrayed the american people on healthcare, and there needs to be a very different voice in this race talking to american people. cenk, the thing that i think people lose sight of is that the third-party candidates actually represent the mainstream of american people. poll after poll show it and there has been the pull out of the democratic and republican parties. >> cenk: rocky anderson and presidential candidate...
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romney's approach is the wrong approach on taxes on deficit on wall street reform, on medicare and healthcare. >> eliot: on "good morning america," comedian jon stewart said he tried the same strategy in an upcoming debate with bile o'reilly. >> strategy that obama took, it is the rope-a-dope but instead of letting your opponent punch himself out you just get beat up. >> eliot: ouch. piling insult on top of self-inflicted injury, john sununu told msnbc's andrea mitchell -- >> what people saw last night i think, was a president that revealed his incompetence, how lazy and detached he is. >> did you really mean to call barack obama the president of the united states lazy? >> he didn't want to prepare for this debate. he's lazy and disengaged. >> eliot: wow. asked if sununu's comments had overtones, it seems that way. obama's senior adviser david axelrod thinks romney's say what works strategy will ultimately work against him. >> eliot: which had better mean the next debate unless the president wants to see this slip away from him. joining me now rolling stone national affairs correspondent tim
romney's approach is the wrong approach on taxes on deficit on wall street reform, on medicare and healthcare. >> eliot: on "good morning america," comedian jon stewart said he tried the same strategy in an upcoming debate with bile o'reilly. >> strategy that obama took, it is the rope-a-dope but instead of letting your opponent punch himself out you just get beat up. >> eliot: ouch. piling insult on top of self-inflicted injury, john sununu told msnbc's andrea...
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i cover that in my healthcare. >> cenk: which is just not true. >> of course it's not true. i'm just worried about people who are tuning in late and don't like to watch programs like yours and reading newspapers and what we call low-information voters. i would cast this guy as the president in a heartbeat. he's got the hair. he has the stature. the wardrobe. what really bothers me if you and i had wrestled student to the ground and given him a forced haircut kicking and screaming and crying, would you remember that? i know i would. and everybody involved including that final the fellow, the victim has since decreased. they confirmed that not only was it something that he felt badly for doing to this kid but the guy confirmed that it traumatized him for the rest of his life. every single person involved in that event remembers that except mitt romney. >> cenk: would you remember it? of course! unbelievable. let's have fun with "star wars." i'm going to name you a politician, and you tell me which character in "star wars" it would be. dick cheney. >> of course, it's not fair t
i cover that in my healthcare. >> cenk: which is just not true. >> of course it's not true. i'm just worried about people who are tuning in late and don't like to watch programs like yours and reading newspapers and what we call low-information voters. i would cast this guy as the president in a heartbeat. he's got the hair. he has the stature. the wardrobe. what really bothers me if you and i had wrestled student to the ground and given him a forced haircut kicking and screaming...
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if you talk about percentage of gdp and healthcare, this is a number we want to come down, this is a number motiving in the wrong way what do we make of this. >> it confirms what we knew for a while. we're in an anemic recovery, a fragile recovery. it's good but it does not change wherethe depressed place where many americans are. nobody thinks that president obama is going to steal an election on trumpeting unemployment. it is still a high number. and it forces the administration that will be leveled against him. >> eliot: let's talk politics. wednesday night mitt romney had the best day of his campaign. head to head against the president, and the president was not performing up to par not what we expect of him as a communicator, what we expect, articulating is what he's all about. suddenly the winds have been taken out of the sails of mitt romney a little bit, the data, the real data, there are so many things that ever three of us do is not there to substantiate his claim. what can he now do to say i really do have an engine of growth that i am going to start. >> he can't use that
if you talk about percentage of gdp and healthcare, this is a number we want to come down, this is a number motiving in the wrong way what do we make of this. >> it confirms what we knew for a while. we're in an anemic recovery, a fragile recovery. it's good but it does not change wherethe depressed place where many americans are. nobody thinks that president obama is going to steal an election on trumpeting unemployment. it is still a high number. and it forces the administration that...
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i used to consult with healthcare providers. we don't need to have a board of 15 people telling us what kinds of treatments we should have. we instead need to put insurance plans, providers hospitals, doctors on target such that they have an incentive as you say, performance pay, and that's happening. intermountain health care does it superbly well, and so to others. but the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to america telling a patient and a doctor what kind of treatment they can have. the private market and individual responsibility always works best. >> obama: this board that we're talking about can't make decisions about what treatments are given. that's prohibited in the law. but let's go back to what governor romney indicated; that under his plan he would be able to cover people with preexisting conditions. governor what your plan does is to duplicate what is already the law, which says that, you know, if you are out of health insurance for three months then you ca
i used to consult with healthcare providers. we don't need to have a board of 15 people telling us what kinds of treatments we should have. we instead need to put insurance plans, providers hospitals, doctors on target such that they have an incentive as you say, performance pay, and that's happening. intermountain health care does it superbly well, and so to others. but the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to america telling a patient...
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next up, healthcare. yep. romney really made a death panel reference, referring to the independent payment advisory board which does have the power to force medicare cuts. but it is explicitly prohibited from rationing care or restricting benefits so no, it's not a death panel. romney said he would balance the budget in ten years but he still has not offered up a plan for that. in fact, he says he will increase military spending and restore billions of dollars to medicare and supposedly won't raise taxes meaning no new income. one spending reduction he did offer is cutting funding to pbs. but that's only $450 million a year which pales in comparison to other government spending. more bill press is coming up after the break. stay with us. you're about to watch an ad message created by a current tv viewer for capella university. matter. >> i work with adults with developmental disabilities. growing up i had a single mother of four and people in the community were so helpful when they didn't even have much themse
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we're at number three healthcare. romney has repeatedly said he would repeal obama care on day one and yet last night he said well, he truly wouldn't get rid of all of it. he would keep the most popular piece which is covering pre-existing conditions. >> romney: actually, it's a lengthy description but number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. >> jennifer: then after the debate his top deputy eric fehrnstrom, the guy who said that the campaign would etch-a-sketch away its positions. fehrnstrom -- clarified mitt romney's position saying... >> jennifer: in other words mitt romney will not guarantee coverage for pre-existing conditions and you better hope that you live in the right state or that you're lucky enough to already have insurance. in fact, romney admitted the very same thing back in march to jay leno. >> romney: people with pre-existing conditions as long as they've been insured before, they will continue -- >> suppose they were never insured. >> if they're 45 years old and i need insuranc
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that's part of my healthcare plan. >> cenk: oh, is that right? i love the way he phrased that. i have a plan that deals with pre-existing conditions. he didn't say it would cover pre-existing conditions. in fact, if you don't have continuous coverage. if you're out of work for some reason and you don't have coverage for three months, you're done. if you have a pre-existing condition he's not going to cover you. you know how many americans were in that boat? between 2004 and 2007, 89 million people. that means nearly one-third of the country would not be covered if they had a pre-existing condition. you're not going to cover them. again, why? because you know that the american people want to be covered for pre-existing conditions because they do like obama-care. so you want to ride off that without actually doing it. that's fraud. and then of course there was this great opening by mitt romney. >> romney: you said you would get a deduction for taking a plant overseas? i've been in business for 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. i may need a new accountant. >> cen
that's part of my healthcare plan. >> cenk: oh, is that right? i love the way he phrased that. i have a plan that deals with pre-existing conditions. he didn't say it would cover pre-existing conditions. in fact, if you don't have continuous coverage. if you're out of work for some reason and you don't have coverage for three months, you're done. if you have a pre-existing condition he's not going to cover you. you know how many americans were in that boat? between 2004 and 2007, 89...
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think of the healthcare act of last june. maybe this is good news because the court over the past few years has proven to be the last refuges of decision making as congress and executive branches have proven themselves too often mired in gridlock and avoidance behavior that typify so many institutions. on the other hand the old mythology that the supreme court can depend upon a neutral analyst of legal principles to resolve these tough issues is more and more suspect. the court itself has been mired in ideological and partisan bickering. witness the acid tone of the four conservative justices in their dissent in the healthcare case. this partisanship and what i view to be the intellectual gamesmanship of those who erect false interpretive facades to justify the outcome oriented reasoning, detracts from the historic role of our final and most august deliberative body. the early 1900s, hostile to main form of collective action by workers, only in the 1950s blazing a trail for integration and recognition that separate is inheren
think of the healthcare act of last june. maybe this is good news because the court over the past few years has proven to be the last refuges of decision making as congress and executive branches have proven themselves too often mired in gridlock and avoidance behavior that typify so many institutions. on the other hand the old mythology that the supreme court can depend upon a neutral analyst of legal principles to resolve these tough issues is more and more suspect. the court itself has been...
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. >> healthcare and we had a 401(k) to put money in. not likely to get all much back. they were like oh, well, we're losing profits. so we're going to make the most money we can. they ship 70,000 jobs of manufacturers over the past ten years overseas. >> stephanie: yep. >> caller: there's not any real reason for this except for a couple of people did it at first. a couple of corporations then everyone jump on the bandwagon. >> stephanie: how is that not relevant? romney when i was -- when he was head of bain. his money is overseas. >> making the point that there was no tax benefit to housing his money overseas. then you must be doing it just to be a jerk then. why wouldn't you have it in an american bank where they could use it as part of their bottom line to base the ability to say lend to small businesses? >> why doesn't he trust the american economic system to keep his money in it? >> because he knows people like him are operating at the high levels of it. i wouldn't trust it either. >> some of them like to go skiing. >> stephanie: awesome if he were panicked into a
. >> healthcare and we had a 401(k) to put money in. not likely to get all much back. they were like oh, well, we're losing profits. so we're going to make the most money we can. they ship 70,000 jobs of manufacturers over the past ten years overseas. >> stephanie: yep. >> caller: there's not any real reason for this except for a couple of people did it at first. a couple of corporations then everyone jump on the bandwagon. >> stephanie: how is that not relevant? romney...
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last year, and i'll tell you, it just angers me completely when i listen to the republicans talk about healthcare reform. they know nothing -- because i was a compliance geek for all of those years -- >> stephanie: anybody that knows anything about insurance -- by the way you have to comfort that child -- >> caller: that is my cat protesting mittens. >> stephanie: oh, all right. it's assumed it was a child crying over the death of big bird. melissa fitzgerald what an honor. look at her film on uganda. what a delight. now that you are a home slice, come hang out here in captain america's underpants. >> i would love it. >> stephanie: that's it for us. i would like to thanks chris lavoie, jim ward, tee bone, jacki and everybody back at the current control room. we'll see you tomorrow on the "stephanie miller show." ♪
last year, and i'll tell you, it just angers me completely when i listen to the republicans talk about healthcare reform. they know nothing -- because i was a compliance geek for all of those years -- >> stephanie: anybody that knows anything about insurance -- by the way you have to comfort that child -- >> caller: that is my cat protesting mittens. >> stephanie: oh, all right. it's assumed it was a child crying over the death of big bird. melissa fitzgerald what an honor....
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that's part of my healthcare plan. >> cenk: so what can he do with that richard? >> well, it's clearly a problem because if i was playing let's say i was acting and playing someone who was lower status to someone next to me, i would defer, i would look down, i would be afraid to be direct. like i said before, i think that came from not--the inability to face the lies head on, and not knowing what to do about if, but the result was he came across as inferior in a way. there was a great article in the the atlantic last month about this angry black man phenomenon. i had a stepfather that i grew up with for some partly of my life who was a civil rights leader, clarence jones. he was martin luther king jr.'s lawyer. obama reminds me of growing up a little bit with this man because he was in the business world. he was in the political world and he had to keep a certain demeanor. he was successful, so he moved up to a fancy neighborhood in the bronx, believe it or not there was one back then in riverdale, and he would go jogging every morning. every single morning he was
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. >> eliot: i would ask mitt romney this question because he is hiding behind federalism on the healthcare issue. if the individual mandate was good policy as a matter of logic in health care for massachusetts, why isn't it good policy for new york north carolina, california? don't tell me about states making their own decisions, isn't it still good policy? and if not why not? because i don't think there is an answer to that. for the president this may be too granular but it goes to his capacity to govern. i would say will you make the filibuster reform in the senate something you really push on? because if he can get the senate -- and i think we'll have democratic majority in the senate, and we have the white house, then you put john boehner in a corner then i think he can govern so much more effectively, and yet nobody is talk about it. >> jennifer: my questions would be along those lines. mitt romney signed grover norquist's pledge in 2006. and i would want to know are you still bound by that pledge? and are you going to pledge out here that you will never raise taxes? and on the presid
. >> eliot: i would ask mitt romney this question because he is hiding behind federalism on the healthcare issue. if the individual mandate was good policy as a matter of logic in health care for massachusetts, why isn't it good policy for new york north carolina, california? don't tell me about states making their own decisions, isn't it still good policy? and if not why not? because i don't think there is an answer to that. for the president this may be too granular but it goes to his...
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debate and discussion in this country on how we slash medicare spending or we find ourselves with no healthcare for those over 65. that's the alternative. the monetary collapse--excuse me quickly. a monetary collapse when the dollars we have in our pocket don't buy a thing because of the inflation that is going to go along with borrowing and printing money to the tune of 43 of every dollar. >> cenk: ron paul seems to be saying the same thing do you but you haven't been able to capture them-- >> that's not the case. your ron paul supporter, i'm saying the same things as ron paul. i ran for the republican nomination. i thought it would be really hard to marginalize two people on stage saying the same thing ron paul and myself. i didn't find myself marginalized. i found myself down-right excluded while ron paul was marginalized. >> cenk: thank you so much for joining us. >> cenk, thank you much. >> cenk: all right running for president for the libertarian party. when we come back, the elbow of the day. >> cenk: michele bachmann is one of the darlings of the right wing. she ran for president. she w
debate and discussion in this country on how we slash medicare spending or we find ourselves with no healthcare for those over 65. that's the alternative. the monetary collapse--excuse me quickly. a monetary collapse when the dollars we have in our pocket don't buy a thing because of the inflation that is going to go along with borrowing and printing money to the tune of 43 of every dollar. >> cenk: ron paul seems to be saying the same thing do you but you haven't been able to capture...
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but tens of millions to find affordable healthcare unattainable. they'll bring this up thursday in the debate with congressman paul ryan. 36 million people have their health eight risk. the president and vice president should hammer it home in the next few days. (vo) always outspoken, now unleashed, joy behar. >> on my next show, i'll talk to tyne daly. she won the prestigious rush limbaugh's worst nightmare award. i don't think you knew that. r than the presidential race. physical probably be a healthy emotional break. last week on the show we focused in two separate segments on justice gone fund mentally awry, remedied in the end by the perseverance of courageous lawyers who time and again stood up against the long odds of overturnturning conviction and sustained by the powerful sense that justice has been vie lited. dame yes or no echols told in his own words the horse of spending 18 years on death row wrongly convicted because of the anger and need for vengeance from a co-versed confession of a teenager. and then vanessa potkin, from the innoce
but tens of millions to find affordable healthcare unattainable. they'll bring this up thursday in the debate with congressman paul ryan. 36 million people have their health eight risk. the president and vice president should hammer it home in the next few days. (vo) always outspoken, now unleashed, joy behar. >> on my next show, i'll talk to tyne daly. she won the prestigious rush limbaugh's worst nightmare award. i don't think you knew that. r than the presidential race. physical...
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needs to make clear to the american people what mitt romney and paul ryan's policies are on medicare healthcare. >> eliot: i think all that have is correct. but it runs a little deeper than that. there is a basic goodness to the american public. a sense of where mitt romney was going in the convection, the 47% video which incapsulated everything that the public didn't like. the public woke up and they ran away from him. >> the video reinforced what people felt in their gut. he was a man of the 1%, had offshore jobs and didn't feel for the americans. key, they want to make this on mitt romney, bain, and a man who has offshore--no, he wants to make this a referendum on obama's record. you're going to see that play out. it was trending toward becoming a referendum on mitt romney, the gilded age extremist. >> eliot: which was an easy win-- >> easier. >> eliot: until mitt romney succeeded with another etch-a-sketch. >> we are not sure which way it will go. president obama has a lot of small donors and he has called for public funding and overturning citizens united. the ads on the ground are mitt ro
needs to make clear to the american people what mitt romney and paul ryan's policies are on medicare healthcare. >> eliot: i think all that have is correct. but it runs a little deeper than that. there is a basic goodness to the american public. a sense of where mitt romney was going in the convection, the 47% video which incapsulated everything that the public didn't like. the public woke up and they ran away from him. >> the video reinforced what people felt in their gut. he was a...
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he's running against his own healthcare bill when he criticizes president obama's healthcare bill. so i think it is good the country's having this debate over the size and role of government. and i think if president obama wins, whether he really represents what his enemies say he represents, i think it will validate the other side that says there is a role for the size of government that we have now. >> eliot: before you jump in i want to say one thing. there is the philosophical conversation, in a way the more important one. a factual statement you made which i do disagree with. president obama's responsible for the largest increase in our deficit and it is his policies that got us there. yes, the increase in the deficit has occurred while he is president but the reason -- the reason why we have that increase is the bush tax cuts, the wars that president bush got us into and the combination of those two is responsible for over that 60% of the debt. i think that's a fact that we could prove as a factual matter. >> governor, i disagree with you there. as i said earlier the debt for
he's running against his own healthcare bill when he criticizes president obama's healthcare bill. so i think it is good the country's having this debate over the size and role of government. and i think if president obama wins, whether he really represents what his enemies say he represents, i think it will validate the other side that says there is a role for the size of government that we have now. >> eliot: before you jump in i want to say one thing. there is the philosophical...
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. >> eliot: what's at stake for healthcare in tomorrow's debate? i'll be chatting with molly and dave sirota. i'll be debating glenn beck. 10:00 p.m. tonight east coast time mr. beck and i will be arguing the issues of the day here at denver's fillmore auditorium. you don't want to miss this. go to facebook.com/current and find out where you can catch our war of the wordsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsds >> eliot: welcome back to denver where we're previewing tomorrow's presidential debate. if romney is the grandfather of obama care and obama the father, then we should get a chance tomorrow to learn just how far the apple actually falls from the tree. here to discuss one of the most intriguing debate topics for tomorrow, healthcare is political correspondent for the atlantic molly ball and dave sirota cohost of the run-down with sirota and brown. molly, let me start with you. it has always struck me as bizarre, almost hypocritical for mitt romney to attack obama care the way he has. he himself mitt romney was in fact the first political
. >> eliot: what's at stake for healthcare in tomorrow's debate? i'll be chatting with molly and dave sirota. i'll be debating glenn beck. 10:00 p.m. tonight east coast time mr. beck and i will be arguing the issues of the day here at denver's fillmore auditorium. you don't want to miss this. go to facebook.com/current and find out where you can catch our war of the wordsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsds >> eliot: welcome back to denver where we're previewing tomorrow's...